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**winbac** · 09-14-2007, 02:50 AM

Hi everyone,

I am new to this forum and learning to play baccarat. I am considering purchasing Twister having read all the positive comments.

What I would like to know is whether playing baccarat full time using Twister system (with Anti-Twister & the other strategies) at a real (land-based) casino is a viable option as a sole source of income. Is Twister system sufficiently reliable to generate 200 units a month consistently?

Your kind and objective opinion is greatly appreciated.

Warm regards
winbac

Operator · 09-15-2007, 03:08 PM

That would be a 1000 dollar question. From what i gather the system works. I havent heard any thing bad about it some one said its a neg progression. Then i have heard it has several different parts to react to what is happening at the table a good thing.
All in all though i quess youll have to take a leap of faith not to many people post about it on this side of the forum.

**cheng6991** · 09-15-2007, 08:13 PM

I have never heard anyone who play Baccarat for living. One could make some money as supplement income if he plays with good system .

rational · 09-16-2007, 12:50 PM

If it doesn't win consistently it's not good enough to be a bread-winner. What's the point of having a system which does great only sometimes but the times it doesn't takes back all your winnings and more?

Personally I doubt whether any method will come out ahead in the long-term. How much testing has this method had and what are the results in terms of advantage to the player?

Operator · 09-16-2007, 07:40 PM

rational correct a system should be cheap and win more times then it losses. Is there such a system??
There are allot of neg pro's out there silver thorne pushing the most of them. I just cant see bring 5000 to the table and starting off with a 5 dollar player bet myself then fibboing my way up. Yes thats what is sold a up as you lose fibo.
I do not know what is sold here . Im looking for some one to post who is not a doctor lawyer or any other person who makes more then 150,000 a year. In other words people who do not throw money at the problem.
Rich people go to the casino 2 times a month throw money at the problem and either break even or win alittle.
I want to see poor hosea from mexico who started with only 500 bucks and three months later he's betting green chip's There;s the system right there show me that.
It does happen to a few percent but i would like to see about a 50 percent success rate from all who bought the system

.. Yes i made a little money at bacc last year but nothing to write home about.

Im sure some one will come in here and post real soon

***Keith Smith*** · 09-16-2007, 08:47 PM

Where do you live near what casino to play Bac?

KS

rational · 09-17-2007, 03:53 AM

Ok maybe I'm not being specific enough. I'd like to know whether the Twister method has beaten the zumma tester and if so what were the final results?

Thanks.

**winbac** · 09-17-2007, 11:11 PM

Hi everyone

Thanks for sharing your views.

I started this thread because I was most impressed by the recent trip report by wolfat (Andrea) to monte carlo and he made +111 units playing 13 shoes.

I believe we could all benefit if Mr Andrea or other experienced player, or even Mr Ellis himself could kindly enlighten us on whether the twister system/strategies is sufficiently reliable to realistically make a living from.

Thanks in advance.

Quote:

Originally Posted by wolfat

Hi folks! I'm back!
Firstli I wanna say that in this particular day I feel very close to US citizens souls and I'm still particularly angry thinking to those dramatical facts.
That's it!

Actually I spent last 9 days splitting my time between vacation (6 days) and work at bac tables (3 days).
Naturally I started with bac tables: SUN 2 Sept I reached Montecarlo Casino: tables was busy and ...unlikely surprise: min bet was EU. 300!
I usually play with EU.100 chips but leaving for a 3 days of gambling I took more money than usual so I decided to take the challenge, altough I know that is never a good idea playing with scared money - I decided also to squeeze my gold card to get more bullets to shot. A great neon flashes in my mind: BE CAREFUL!

I deploy BERT to keep my bets 3hi and used Twister/U 1c/2s to start.

Sh.#1 I started with ord. Twister rules and it keeps for 2/3 of the first col. - this was rich in F1 and F3 so I keep up with this asset of play. I closed with no troubles at +11.

Sh.#2 I'm waiting for some F2: at first one I switch to 1c/3s. So I did and did wellas those was rich in twos (n°15) and Twister/U works smoothly +10.

Sh. #3 Same as above about asset that was 1c/2s. It started as above but then cames a lot of changes with short runs: I reached -10 then recovered with a little run of ones and I decided to close at -6.

I don't like end a session losing so I decided to play another one before dining.
Sh.#4 I never seen a shoe like this: it starts with 17 players then 9 8 10 8 1 1 3; everyone at this table was pushing his bets for run betting big "plaques" (as french calls high value squared chips) and I've ended at +36: luxury dinner tonight! I think that this shoe cost few hundred thousand to casino!

During dinner I drunk too much to play seriously: session closed for today!

Monday afternoon: less people at tables, min. was lowed at EU.100 so i felt in my comfort zone.

Sh.#5 Started lightly streaky with bounches of ones during the 1st and part of the 2nd col.: after a sequence like PPP B P B P BB PPPPP I passed to play Oc/2s till the end - at final after group/group I switched to 1c/2s till the end: +9.

Sh.#6 Super chop (in the 1st col. C/S count was +9) then it turned starnge and break even at -1.

Sh.#7 Another strange but opposite of above: this time chop runs recovered ending at +4.

Sh:#8 Quite streaky but finally no problems with 1c/2s: +10 (just 2 s.tons)

Sh.#9 Started with a streak of 12 banks: I'll take it fully and then, tired, ended session without completing the shoe +14.
Luxury dinner again!

TUESDAY afternoon
min. bets was always EU.100
I played 4 shoes with nothing particular: +9, +6, +3, +6.
Recap: 13 shoes played +11 +10 -6 +36 / +9 -1 +4 +10 +14 / +9 +6 +3 +6 = total for session +111 units (playing 3hi!).

Technical comments: see the private side of the forum...

rational · 09-19-2007, 07:19 AM

The truth is out there somewhere...

I have it on good authority that this system is not the winner it claims to be.
Just be careful guys.

**wolfat** · 09-19-2007, 09:46 AM

To Rational:
my suggest is to talk about things that you know in deep, not just words like wind in the air!
I'm a respectable and very experienced player and get good results with Ellis's systems - tha fact that not everyone understand is that, although you own the best system available on the market IS the man that play it.
You need a lot of practice and the knowledge to play the right system (between several available) at the right moment OR to make simple adjustement to fight the shoe the casino is producing to you.
You make me laugh (LOL) if you think that exist a system telling.....after 2 banks bet B, after 3 players bet... Let them to scammers.
System is really a big tool but is the man who wins.
Are you able to?
ciao
andrea

09-14-2007, 02:50 AM	#1 (permalink)
winbac Universal Bac Player Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 7 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0 Rep Power: 0	Baccarat for a living Hi everyone, I am new to this forum and learning to play baccarat. I am considering purchasing Twister having read all the positive comments. What I would like to know is whether playing baccarat full time using Twister system (with Anti-Twister & the other strategies) at a real (land-based) casino is a viable option as a sole source of income. Is Twister system sufficiently reliable to generate 200 units a month consistently? Your kind and objective opinion is greatly appreciated. Warm regards winbac

09-15-2007, 03:08 PM	#2 (permalink)
Operator Junior Member Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 22 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0 Rep Power: 0	Re: Baccarat for a living That would be a 1000 dollar question. From what i gather the system works. I havent heard any thing bad about it some one said its a neg progression. Then i have heard it has several different parts to react to what is happening at the table a good thing. All in all though i quess youll have to take a leap of faith not to many people post about it on this side of the forum.

09-15-2007, 08:13 PM	#3 (permalink)
cheng6991 Universal Bac Player Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 179 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0 Rep Power: 32	Re: Baccarat for a living I have never heard anyone who play Baccarat for living. One could make some money as supplement income if he plays with good system .

09-16-2007, 12:50 PM	#4 (permalink)
rational Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 5 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0 Rep Power: 0	Re: Baccarat for a living If it doesn't win consistently it's not good enough to be a bread-winner. What's the point of having a system which does great only sometimes but the times it doesn't takes back all your winnings and more? Personally I doubt whether any method will come out ahead in the long-term. How much testing has this method had and what are the results in terms of advantage to the player?

09-16-2007, 07:40 PM	#5 (permalink)
Operator Junior Member Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 22 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0 Rep Power: 0	Re: Baccarat for a living rational correct a system should be cheap and win more times then it losses. Is there such a system?? There are allot of neg pro's out there silver thorne pushing the most of them. I just cant see bring 5000 to the table and starting off with a 5 dollar player bet myself then fibboing my way up. Yes thats what is sold a up as you lose fibo. I do not know what is sold here . Im looking for some one to post who is not a doctor lawyer or any other person who makes more then 150,000 a year. In other words people who do not throw money at the problem. Rich people go to the casino 2 times a month throw money at the problem and either break even or win alittle. I want to see poor hosea from mexico who started with only 500 bucks and three months later he's betting green chip's There;s the system right there show me that. It does happen to a few percent but i would like to see about a 50 percent success rate from all who bought the system.. Yes i made a little money at bacc last year but nothing to write home about. Im sure some one will come in here and post real soon

09-16-2007, 08:47 PM	#6 (permalink)
*Keith Smith* Founder - Beatthecasino.com Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Mechanicsburg Posts: 4,173 Downloads: 30 Uploads: 15 Rep Power: 10	Re: Baccarat for a living Where do you live near what casino to play Bac? KS __________________ Keith Smith Beatthecasino.com keith@beatthecasino.com "There is no system in the world that can overcome the house advantage... that you know of anyway"

09-17-2007, 03:53 AM	#7 (permalink)
rational Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 5 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0 Rep Power: 0	Re: Baccarat for a living Ok maybe I'm not being specific enough. I'd like to know whether the Twister method has beaten the zumma tester and if so what were the final results? Thanks.

09-19-2007, 07:19 AM	#9 (permalink)
rational Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 5 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0 Rep Power: 0	Re: Baccarat for a living The truth is out there somewhere... I have it on good authority that this system is not the winner it claims to be. Just be careful guys.

09-19-2007, 09:46 AM	#10 (permalink)
wolfat Universal Bac Player Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Asti, Italy Posts: 583 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0 Rep Power: 52	Re: Baccarat for a living To Rational: my suggest is to talk about things that you know in deep, not just words like wind in the air! I'm a respectable and very experienced player and get good results with Ellis's systems - tha fact that not everyone understand is that, although you own the best system available on the market IS the man that play it. You need a lot of practice and the knowledge to play the right system (between several available) at the right moment OR to make simple adjustement to fight the shoe the casino is producing to you. You make me laugh (LOL) if you think that exist a system telling.....after 2 banks bet B, after 3 players bet... Let them to scammers. System is really a big tool but is the man who wins. Are you able to? ciao andrea

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