ksshing

Dear Ellis,

This is one of the real game that I played using ur system N U1D1 M2 rules, the streak system formula goes nemesis ... how can I play such hand ? And the losing chip rose to more then 60 units !!! And this is heart beating ... should I quit at play 22 at -22 ?? It never show a +unit ... until last five of the game (which I quit .. since the losing chips is too high for me) ... it would be great if you show me something that is low risk and high return.

The game is as follow :

B 11342113112
P 2162212121
B 351414

Hope you can give some advice on how to improve it. Am losing like hell here .. but I still believe in your system .. so if i can make it for USD500, definately will join the private section. Btw, USD500 is around MYR1850, so i got to play 3 times harder in order to join u guys .. just hope to get some wise advice for improvement ...

Thanks !
KS
ksshing@operamail.com

mreteuya

Hi kisshing,

My name is Mark, I have been a paid member for about 3 months now and am very happy. I am very close to playing it full time for a living, as soon as my circumstances allows. I have met so many nice and helpful members, all who have helped a lot! Players like Wolfat, PapaJoe, Aegis, Zenwin, ShuttleSmasher, Skepters, Marty, Hieke, and so much more. They are all VERY humble, and most do not give themselves the credit they deserve for being great Baccarat players and ALL are in the quest to play the perfect system.

I am even more excitied, especially since word has come out to paid members that Ellis will be coming out with a revised, much more simple manual of the next generation System N / U2HiSAP otherwise known as Full SAP! This is the next step you have read about in the free forum after learning how to play the "U2HiSA Best version" that is posted in the free stuff to the public members.

This new "SAP" manual will be like a "SAP for Dummies" that will take even the newest rookie to Baccarat and have them winning BIG in the casinos in no time! And from what I've heard not only do you get a manual, but it may even come with a Video/ Audio that will teach you with play by play instructions of an actual game!

From what I hear it will be made available FREE only to paid members, but the demand for this will be so hot that it may be availble to the public but at a seperate and much higher price!

My suggestion, become a paid member and become part of the "inner circle" of some of the best Baccarat players in the world. There you will earn many more tricks of the trade that will get you on your way to making the real money.

For now, I think you should read and review Ellis thread on how to beat streaky shoes, posted below in the thread. I have attached a link here which should work. http://www.beatthecasino.com/bb/baccarat/4881-how-beat-streaky-shoes.html

Mark

E. Clifton Davis

Hi Kisshing,

I know I should not be going to this kind of detail on the public forum. But I can see that you are trying and anyone trying that hard deserves help. Also, I think it is probably good for sales for public members to see, in detail, how easy it is to turn a horrible losing shoe into an easy winner by just knowing a few tricks of the trade like we teach in the private forum.

In my next post I'll play your shoe for you and turn it into a 24 unit winner without ever betting more than 3 units. Is that satisfactory???

But first, you are making a couple of serious mistakes that need correction:

1.) First, reserve U1D1 M2 betting for only your best situations. For instance, if you find yourself at a CONSISTENTLY streaky table or a consistently choppy table you might deploy U1D1 M2 after proving to yourself that you are easily beating the table W/O any serious difficulties. U1D1 M2 is our MOST aggressive betting system. We call it our "EXPLOIT" betting system and we only deploy it in the best situations.

In this shoe you should be employing the much safer U1D2 M2 betting system. Why? This shoe is neither choppy nor streaky. It is what we call Neutral. Why? A count of Opposites vs Repeats counting +1 for Ops and -1 for repeats gives you a +1 count at the bottom of both the first and second columns. Yes, it does get streaky in the third col but you had no way to know that was going to happen. Remember, an opposite is a circle on the OPPOSITE side of the prior circle. A Repeat is a circle on the SAME side.

You know from your studies here that you should be going to 0 after a side loses 4 bets in a choppy shoe and after 2 bets in a streaky shoe. But this is what we call a Neutral shoe. The count doesn't go anywhere until late in the shoe. In a neutral shoe you should be using a 4 bet prog. Why? Neutral shoes have a high incidence of 2s and 3s. A 4 bet prog beats both best. Now you may have been correctly playing a 4 bet prog. I have no way to know. But you needed to know a couple of tricks of the trade to make a 4 bet prog work in this shoe. Also note, when I play it, that I drop down to a 2 bet prog in the last col. Why? While a 4 bet prog is best in Neutral and your shoe is still Neutral at the bottom of the second col. I dropped to a 2 bet prog in the last col because it is usually less risky. Yes, you would like to win the last col. but your FIRST duty in the last col is to protect your winnings. Had the shoe greatly favored chop I would have stuck with the 4 bet prog. Streak, I would have gone to 2 bets earlier. But at that point, your shoe didn't favor anything so the more conservative 2 bet prog is called for. Had the shoe favored chop a little I would have gone to a 3 bet prog. which also would have worked well.

2.) We'll get to those tricks of the trade but first, let's address your second mistake. You were using a stop loss far too high. -20 is maybe OK for U1D1 M2 but , of course you should not have been playing U1D1 in this shoe. Even if prior shoes at your table had led you to believe you could get away with U1D1 you should switch to U1D2 as soon as you see this shoe isn't going your way. U1D2 can usually get you 20 units by deploying tricks I'm about to teach you AND a -10 or -12 is plenty for a stop loss with U1D2. Like I said, much safer. Yet you will likely still be the biggest winner at the table. The right system at the right time does not need a big stop loss. You are much better off to quit sooner and change systems or change tables or even change casinos. A bad shoe seldom turns around without your help.

The game of Baccarat contains what I call entrapments. System N which is what we call the system you are playing has several of these entrapments. The worst is what we call the sporadic ones which you hit on the Bank side in the third column. This probably devastated you. We see this entrapment in one game in 3. There are several ways to turn the sporadic 1s into a favorable winning pattern. The simplest is this: Whenever you lose a card bet (the entry on your scorecard) of 4 or more directly under a 1 in a row as you did at play 50, that side stops betting until it wins 2 0s in a row. Voila! Now sporadic 1s will help you because you "can't lose" on the strong side for as long as it takes for the weak side to come up with a 2 in a row. Note how I handled this when I post your game here in a later post. BTW, I had a game at the Horseshoe in Tunica where Bank never made 2 in a row in the ENTIRE game. I simply deployed the same sporadic 1s countermeasure I'm showing you here and never bet on the Bank side. I scored 89 units!

But, as luck would have it, you suffered another entrapment in the second half of the second column again on the Bank side. So much for Bank being superior. We call this the 212s and we see it in one game in 6. PP B PP B PP B. Sure, the strong side does fine but on the weak side you are losing 2 units every 3 plays. I suspect this episode was even worse for you betting U1D1, giving U1D2 yet another vote. Here is how you remedy this: Whenever a side loses 2 bets and wins 1 go down 3 instead of 2 whenever there is room. Note that I hit this episode with a winning 5 on Bank at play 31. Had I stuck religiously to U1D2 I would have won the 5, lost 3,4, win 5 lose 3,4 win 5 lose 3,4. Not good! But by deploying the Down 3 rule I win 5 lose 3,4 win 5, lose 2,3 win 4 lose 1,2 win 3. Much better! See what I'm doing? I'm quickly working my way down to lose 1,2 win 3, which is break even rather than what you probably did. You probably won 6 lost 5,6 won 7 lost 6,7 won 8 lost 7,8 or maybe worse. So again, I turn a known losing entrapment into a high winning situation.

But those aren't the only entrapments. You just happened to hit those two in your game. You could have hit the sporadic 2s as well, which requires a different remedy. But that is as far as I dare go in the public forum. You need to learn how to turn ALL entrapments into winning situations. It's easy if you know how.

Now, I bet you lost more money in that one game than your membership would have cost you. Am I right? It could have been the exact opposite! See what you're missing? Why?

Watch for my posting of your game along with a play by play explanation later today.

But Kisshing, things could have been worse. One of my players called me last night to tell me that there is a new guy on the internet telling you to risk 70 units to make 13 units! Another guy is insisting that you should be making 32 unit bets regularly. This, as any professional player knows, is total insanity. You could have got yourself hooked up with one of those idiots and lost ten times what you did!

So, OK, next I'll show you exactly how to win 24 units in your shoe W/O betting more than 3. But Systen N, as good as it is, is STILL an amateur system. Once you finally make the leap and become a private member, I'll show you how to win 83% of your shoes W/O ever betting more than 2 units and W/O ever losing more than 8. THEN, you're playing PRO!

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Oh, BTW Mreteuya, thanks for the kind words. Watch for the Kiss shoe later today.

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aegis21

Here is the game for Ellis! I have temp. closed this thread until the text for this game is uploaded.

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aegis21

Hope this works! LOL From Ellis.....
KisNotes:

1. If this had been a streaky table, I would have started with O vs. O at play 1 requiring a side to win a 0 before going to 1.
2. Mandatory 2 (M2) on B after a winning 1.
3. No table bet when entries are tied.
4. At a 5 or more entry raise low entry to keep table bet at 3 max.
5. Down 3 rule after a Loss Loss Win (LLW). See Bank side.
6. Go to 2 bet prog in last col of a Neutral shoe.
7. Sporadic 1 rule: When losing a 4 or more under a single circle, that side stops betting until it wins 2 0s in a row.
8. When playing U1D2 M2, 20 is a good stop win unless you make 20 or more in the 2nd col. Then go for 25 or 30.

System N4 rules:
1. Starting at 0 vs. 0 (streaky table) or 1 vs. 1 (choppy or Neutral table) bet a 4 play prog prog on each side up 1 when a side loses and down 2 when a side wins. Do not go below 1 after a win.
2. Subtract the low entry from the high entry and table bet the difference on the high side. Ties = no table bet.
3. When a side depleats its entire 4 play prog it waits for a winning 0 on that side to resume betting where it left off.
4. 212 rule: Go down 3 under an LLW.
5. Sporadic 1 rule. When a side loses a 4 or more under a single circle it must wait for 2 0 wins in a row to resume betting.

Score Card set up (for new players)

We set up our score card in 4 vertical columns of 20 plays each. Our headings are P player, B bank and S score. We enter our prog entries in the proper square and circle the side that won. Then we enter our score.

Tips:
Always do everything on your card in the same sequence.
Keep your card as legible as you can. There is nothing worse than losing because you couldn’t read your card.

OK What questions do you have??? Remember, Here, there is no such thing as a dumb question!

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jsoeur

Does the 212 rule only apply to the banker? or both?

Jsoeur

E. Clifton Davis

Hi jsoeur. The 212s can happen either way. You are obviously going to win on the side with the 2s. No problem. Its the side with the 1's that is problematical. But the down 3 rule after a WLLW will quickly get you down to a 123 which breaks you even on the 1's side allowing you to keep all your profits on the 2's side. Try this column: BB P BB P BB P BB P.Now play it U1D2 M2 starting with a 3 on P and a 1 on B. W/O the down 3 rule, your bets on P will be 345345345345. Your bets on B will be 121212312312. You end up with -1. But now play the down 3 rule. Your B bets will be the same but your P bets will become345234123123 and you end up at +4. At Black chips the down 3 after a WllW rule just made you $500 in 12 plays. It pays to know these things! Winning at Baccarat is not luck, it's knowing what you are doing.

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ksshing

Dear Ellis,

Thank you for your reply and the tips and tricks that you shared which I know would be difficult and unfair for those members whom paid. Really appreciate that.

I almost give up since have been waiting the reply from you (almost 3 weeks), and am wondering if the same thing happening in the private, but just always reminded myself, it is FREE stuff and the only price to pay is to WAIT .. nothing to risk.

I will study deeply and need some time to digest what you have tought me here .. and will get back to you shortly. Hopefully I still can strike back with the lost that I had made.

Am not a frequent gambler, but I like the way you show here which is more pro and have a systematic way to handle the table which seperate me from the rest. Since I study your system from day one, I will be heading to the Baccarat table in the casino and nothing else.
Well, I can change table but not the casino, as in my country, there is only one casino we can go. But recently, the baccarat game here have been upgraded to a non-chip system, so we can play even faster. I can play for 5 games in 4.5 hrs or less.. and I have recorded almost 100 real games. Maybe I can share more with you when am in the private session.
Here we only play mini-baccarat, which is not a good deal if the banker win at B6.

All right, good to hear your reply, and I shall get back to you soon.
Sorry for my absense as I was away from the my town a while .. and will be away soon.
Maybe after my in depth study, I will get back with you on my enquiries.

Have a good day and Merry Christmas !!

Cheers,
KS

E. Clifton Davis

Hi ksshing, Actually it didn't take me that long but you were away when I answered. Nevertheless, waiting for replies presents a problem on any internet study course. To fix that we are planning to start an open seminar type of class at least on the private forum and perhaps later on the public forum. This way, you not only get your own questions answered immediately but you also hear everyone elses questions and answers. I think it will make for a better and faster way to learn. I think this will be a particularly good way to teach the more complex SAP. Also, I have rethought the process of teaching SAP. I think the simplest road to SAP is Sytem N. It is much like basic SAP. Its a big leap to learn SAP from scratch but a much smaller leap to learn it from System N. Hopefully if you decide to learn SAP in the future, Sys N will already have you half way there.

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