Questions about the free systems and the U2HiSAP - Page 2 - Beat The Casino Forums "Where The Pros Are"

**E. Clifton Davis** · 12-31-2008, 08:55 AM

John! This completely immature kid is a complete waste of time. We have more important things to do. Just bar him completely and edit out his posts. Bar him from ALL of our forums. All the real members are complaining. He has absolutely nothing to contribute. If he did, that's what he'd be talking about. He thinks the way to get ahead is by slamming others. He'll never get anywhere. He's a complete phony with no redeeming value. BTW kid, we have 3400 members. You'll make it 3399!

**ksshing** · 01-08-2009, 06:15 PM

Hey BacKid,

ONe simple advice, there is no FREE lunch !! But Ellis is kind enough to give lil-free package in the public forum ... and it works ! (If you understand thoroughly, just like a class of students, some will do good, some wont, and always those who scored badly will blame the whole world but not themselve... guess this apply in everywhere .. funny !)

So, get on board and start to learn the RIGHT thing instead of finding what is "Right" for you ...

Ciao !
KS

**mreteuya** · 01-08-2009, 09:42 PM

Hi BaccaratUnited,

I know how you feel, I've gambled and lost money over the years too.

At the suggestion is to become a member and learn the new SAP system.

ebbing great improvements to the witnesses talk to new members, and how I learned in this way from the beginning. I be much further ahead. But here's what's interesting, because I wasn't able to learn full SAP, I learned three other systems, and I played them and made money every time. My last trip alone netted me over $25,000 in and made that in three games. And that's without using SAP.

I personally am learning, SAP, because the best part of it is your largest bet is never more than two units, and your average win for shoe and average between eight and 10 units.

This allows me to play a much larger units, say $500-$1000 per unit. You can do the math from there.

Check out, as they say, nothing ventured nothing gained.

But this time, you'll be venturing with education with real mathematics behind it.

Good luck, hope to see you in the full forum.

Mark

Quote:

Originally Posted by BaccaratUnited

Hi Ellis and everyone,

Thank you very much for your replies.

Just as most people in this forum, my goal is to become a professional gambler so that I can spend my spare time doing other things that I always wanted to do in life along with the luxuries that come with winning at baccarat.

During the past 4 years of my gambling life, I have had my ups and downs. In the end, everything has been devastated and only thing I have found out is that I have been wasting all this time not accomplishing anything. Sometimes I wonder had I stayed in University (I am currently 23 years old), at least I would have completed school and be working at a decent paying job.

My goal of wanting to have my own house and my dream car had become far from reality... Or perhaps it is very close to it...

My current job pays okay, however, due to previous losses I have suffered at the baccarat tables, I often find myself chasing for my losses at the casino.

I have played your U2HiSA in my local casino in Edmonton, Alberta, Canada. Turns out that this is a 4-deck mini baccarat shoe (With an average of 30 hands per shoe - Excluding ties). They do have a 6-deck handheld game, however, I have decided to play the 4-deck game since hands are dealt faster and the minimum bet is smaller ($5 versus $25). It also helps me to finish my session earlier since I start work at 2:00 PM and tables in Edmonton are open at 12:00 PM.

Although I have lost big over the weekend playing the U2HiSA (First player in the morning), (I decided to only stick with the U2HiSA since you had mentioned that a player's session win rate should approach 100% even with the U2HiSA by itself - See thread under "Free Stuff"), I have not given up my hopes of becoming a member (Have to wait a month or two before I get my paycheque and bonuses from work

). I will post a trip report under a different thread and hopefully some of you guys can analyze my play. However, I am fairly confident that I had played the U2HiSA the correct way because I made sure everything I did was correct before I headed out to the casinos.

In this particular casino, I am always the only player in the morning. With this casino, I didn't find the need for the provided scorecards since I drew the scorecards up before I started playing. Nevertheless, there is another casino that has an 8-deck game (Handheld) where they do not allow the use of scorecards other than theirs.

Almost all the time, casinos here in Edmonton have enough scorecards and pens for players to use. In some casinos, they provide pencils but I find them uncomfortable.

Anyways, hopefully someone can educate me a little better since I want to get out of this life of a "Gambler" and become a professional "Player".

Thanks very much once again and have a great weekend.

**BaccaratUnited** · 01-11-2009, 11:49 PM

Hi Mark (mreteuya),

Thank you for your kind words.

I can't wait until I join the private forum (Don't have too much money on me at the moment

).

From your experience, how much starting fund did you have before you started playing SAP? From a previous thread, you had mentioned that you had earned $50K ever since you became a member.

Don't you need a fairly sizeable starting fund in order to bring in such big wins (Like other members' $100K winnings and etc).

Sparing the $500 for the membership fee and studying the systems until I have it down is not a big deal to me. However, having a reasonable starting fund ($10K or larger) might take some time.

In addition, does the system fair well with 4-deck shoes as well? My local casinos also have 6-8 deck games but they do tend to take longer to finish since they are handheld. Those handheld games can take longer than 2 hours per shoe to finish, which likely will interfere with my work.

And, how long do you think this system will last? Once the casinos start seeing members with big wins, wouldn't they adjust their shoes so that SAP or any other Ellis' systems can't win against it?

Thanks once again for your responses and hope to hear from you soon.

James

**see_jerek** · 01-20-2009, 12:49 AM

I have been trying to contact ellis regarding my enquiry but he has not reponded yet.Anyone know if he is busy or anything?

**E. Clifton Davis** · 01-20-2009, 12:16 PM

Hi Jerek, I replied to you on that questions board you posted on. I don't know if you saw it and I don't know if I could find that board again. Please post your questions here and I'll be more likely to see them. Thanks!

**E. Clifton Davis** · 01-20-2009, 12:24 PM

To Baccaratunited: Hey James, I seldom bring more than $2000 to the casino. Don't let these big players scare you. You could get away with $500 if you play your cards right. Pun intended.

**see_jerek** · 01-20-2009, 02:46 PM

Hello Ellis,

I do not have much questions as I have not work on the system yet.I just wanna inform you that I have read your bio and I am keen to pick up the skills and study under you as a student.

Just wondering if you still or do take in students.Thats about all I have for you

**E. Clifton Davis** · 01-20-2009, 05:16 PM

Hi Jerek. Yes, I teach full time. Join with us when you can. We have other students from Singapore and many Asians. Some can speak Mandarin to you. That helps if you are having trouble with anything. I also do a lot of sample games that helps you see what we are doing. We can teach anyone and we all have a good time with it. You'll get plenty of help.

**see_jerek** · 01-20-2009, 10:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by E. Clifton Davis

Hi Jerek. Yes, I teach full time. Join with us when you can. We have other students from Singapore and many Asians. Some can speak Mandarin to you. That helps if you are having trouble with anything. I also do a lot of sample games that helps you see what we are doing. We can teach anyone and we all have a good time with it. You'll get plenty of help.

Hello Ellis,

Thank you for your swift reply.I would like to know the costs involve as well
Thank you once again

12-31-2008, 08:55 AM	#11 (permalink)
E. Clifton Davis Professional Player \| Co-Founder Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,187 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0 Rep Power: 135	Re: Questions about the free systems and the U2HiSAP John! This completely immature kid is a complete waste of time. We have more important things to do. Just bar him completely and edit out his posts. Bar him from ALL of our forums. All the real members are complaining. He has absolutely nothing to contribute. If he did, that's what he'd be talking about. He thinks the way to get ahead is by slamming others. He'll never get anywhere. He's a complete phony with no redeeming value. BTW kid, we have 3400 members. You'll make it 3399! __________________ BeatTheCasino ellis@beatthecasino.com Last edited by E. Clifton Davis; 12-31-2008 at 09:06 AM.

01-08-2009, 06:15 PM	#12 (permalink)
ksshing Universal Bac Player Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 73 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0 Rep Power: 12	Re: Questions about the free systems and the U2HiSAP Hey BacKid, ONe simple advice, there is no FREE lunch !! But Ellis is kind enough to give lil-free package in the public forum ... and it works ! (If you understand thoroughly, just like a class of students, some will do good, some wont, and always those who scored badly will blame the whole world but not themselve... guess this apply in everywhere .. funny !) So, get on board and start to learn the RIGHT thing instead of finding what is "Right" for you ... Ciao ! KS

01-11-2009, 11:49 PM	#14 (permalink)
BaccaratUnited Universal Bac Player Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 17 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0 Rep Power: 0	Re: Questions about the free systems and the U2HiSAP Hi Mark (mreteuya), Thank you for your kind words. I can't wait until I join the private forum (Don't have too much money on me at the moment ). From your experience, how much starting fund did you have before you started playing SAP? From a previous thread, you had mentioned that you had earned $50K ever since you became a member. Don't you need a fairly sizeable starting fund in order to bring in such big wins (Like other members' $100K winnings and etc). Sparing the $500 for the membership fee and studying the systems until I have it down is not a big deal to me. However, having a reasonable starting fund ($10K or larger) might take some time. In addition, does the system fair well with 4-deck shoes as well? My local casinos also have 6-8 deck games but they do tend to take longer to finish since they are handheld. Those handheld games can take longer than 2 hours per shoe to finish, which likely will interfere with my work. And, how long do you think this system will last? Once the casinos start seeing members with big wins, wouldn't they adjust their shoes so that SAP or any other Ellis' systems can't win against it? Thanks once again for your responses and hope to hear from you soon. James

01-20-2009, 12:49 AM	#15 (permalink)
see_jerek Universal Bac Player Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Singapore Posts: 64 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0 Rep Power: 12	Re: Questions about the free systems and the U2HiSAP I have been trying to contact ellis regarding my enquiry but he has not reponded yet.Anyone know if he is busy or anything?

01-20-2009, 12:16 PM	#16 (permalink)
E. Clifton Davis Professional Player \| Co-Founder Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,187 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0 Rep Power: 135	Re: Questions about the free systems and the U2HiSAP Hi Jerek, I replied to you on that questions board you posted on. I don't know if you saw it and I don't know if I could find that board again. Please post your questions here and I'll be more likely to see them. Thanks! __________________ BeatTheCasino ellis@beatthecasino.com

01-20-2009, 12:24 PM	#17 (permalink)
E. Clifton Davis Professional Player \| Co-Founder Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,187 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0 Rep Power: 135	Re: Questions about the free systems and the U2HiSAP To Baccaratunited: Hey James, I seldom bring more than $2000 to the casino. Don't let these big players scare you. You could get away with $500 if you play your cards right. Pun intended. __________________ BeatTheCasino ellis@beatthecasino.com

01-20-2009, 02:46 PM	#18 (permalink)
see_jerek Universal Bac Player Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Singapore Posts: 64 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0 Rep Power: 12	Re: Questions about the free systems and the U2HiSAP Hello Ellis, I do not have much questions as I have not work on the system yet.I just wanna inform you that I have read your bio and I am keen to pick up the skills and study under you as a student. Just wondering if you still or do take in students.Thats about all I have for you

01-20-2009, 05:16 PM	#19 (permalink)
E. Clifton Davis Professional Player \| Co-Founder Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,187 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0 Rep Power: 135	Re: Questions about the free systems and the U2HiSAP Hi Jerek. Yes, I teach full time. Join with us when you can. We have other students from Singapore and many Asians. Some can speak Mandarin to you. That helps if you are having trouble with anything. I also do a lot of sample games that helps you see what we are doing. We can teach anyone and we all have a good time with it. You'll get plenty of help. __________________ BeatTheCasino ellis@beatthecasino.com

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