Archer

Ellis, I am really quite that you haven't figured it out yet! I know that you have been working at this a looooong time. I also believe that you believe in some of this stuff. Maybe that is because you really haven't tested these systems extensively enough. I hope it is that and not that you are just rehashing old systems.

Remember the system a week days? When you had a "new" winning method every week or so. You must have hundreds of ways to play Bacc by now.

But the game is winnable, flat bet, not too complicated. I am just you haven't figured it out yet.

Archer

E. Clifton Davis

No Archer I don't remember that because it never happened. Keep up the flat bet. Who knows, you may be the first person in the world to win that way.

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Archer

Short memory? Don't remember the old rec.gambling.blackjack days when you had progressions alternating side to side, one sided, net betting, dividing the shoe into four columns!! LOL Come on.

But no, I am not the only one who wins consistently flat betting. 80% shoe win rate. Yeah, win more hands than lose. Again, Ellis (and readers) the only way you can lose more hands then you win and come out ahead is to be able to PREDICT which of those bets you will win more often and bet more money on them! Geez, a third grader can understand that! When you can predict you just bet those advantage hands and don't ahve to raise your bet - thus - flat betting.

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E. Clifton Davis

A third grader prpbably could but given a little more intelligence.....Even if you have an 80% shoe win rate, which I would have to see to believe, that doesn't necessarally make you a winner after commission. It depends on how much you win when you win and how much you lose when you lose, as any 4th grader would know. I've made many a trek to watch players who claimed they could win flat betting. All ended up wasted trips. Many of our members here tried the flat bet gurus on the internet before comming to us. None of them could actually do it either. Most were scammers but some actually thought they could do it but couldn't when it came down to brass tacks. There's an old saying in Engineering, the profession I hail from: "That's as productive as predicting random numbers."

SAP bets less than most flat bet systems averaging only about 40 units total bets per shoe. Yet it averages a double digit Player Advantage, an 83% win rate and the max loss is 8 units because it is based on a sound and obvious mathematical principle. Wins have gone as high as 40 units and 30 is not uncommon. Players who learn it never leave it. Several are playing it full time pro and many part time pro. You could talk to them yourself and go to the casino with them yourself and see for yourself. But alas, you got yourself barred. In fact we are having a gettogether in Vegas in Feb. with players coming in from all over the world. None of them are afraid to identify themselves.

I'll make you the same bet I make with all other blowhards. I'll watch you play ten shoes in the casino. If you average a 20% Player Advantage I'll give you $1000. If you don't, you give me $1000. Now, are you going to put your money where your mouth is or continue your meaningless ramblings? If you, in fact, know me then you know I always put my money where my mouth is and have done hundreds of casino exhibitions. Oh, and if you win, I'll also rescend your barring and let you teach your system right here. Even pay you. Now, are you going to put up or shut up???

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E. Clifton Davis

First you tell us its a 50/50 game as if we didn't know, and then you tell us there are advantage hands. Which is it Arch? Which time are you telling the truth? Which Archer should we believe?

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Archer

Hundreds of casino exhibitions! Malarky!

First of all a $1000 won't pay my monthly dinner expense. I'd have to seriously consider $10,000 if you give me 2:1 odds since I am taking a risk playing only ten shoes. I have lost 4 shoes in a row more than once so I am taking a risk. 3:1 Hmmmm? Anything can happen in ten shoes.

Part of demagoguery is making outrageous extreme statements that no one would beleive that anyone would say such a thing unless they were true. You are a master at this:

"best players in the world" "hundreds of players worldwide" "hundreds of public exhibitions"

You are a real beauty!

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aegis21

I have personally witnessed over twenty play exhibitions by Mr. Davis. He played at A.C., Foxwoods, Turning stone. Now I cannot vouch for any that I didn't see but twenty winning exhibitions is a little outside the standard deviation, statistical outcome of failure, my boy Archie..... you cannot dispute those numbers. Or can you Mr. Malarky!
p.s. that didn't count the million dollar baccarat tournament at ceasars A.C. He puts his money on the table and talk about gemagogogo- rey! "First of all a $1000 won't pay my monthly dinner expense. " blah blah blah Ha ha ha on you sir or madam whatever!

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E. Clifton Davis

Archer you must be really fat. What are you doing on here anyway? What's your point? You know nothing about me. Nothing you have said about me is true. Nothing about how you say we play is true. Go bother somebody else. That seems all you are capable of.

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Archer

Well Thurston, er, I mean Aegis. So much for the unbiased administrator searching for truth, huh. Your tone and comments suggest you are upset and coming to the defense of your fearless leader. 20 so-called exhibitions? Caesars AC? We are going back aways. You have been around a long time. Sure you are not part of his little "industry."

Anyway, what good is a Bacc tester that, by your own account, doesn't work? No time to fix it?????? Pretty lame.

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Archer

Fat? How do you mean that? In the wallet? Stomach? Do you mean "Phat."

Point is you make no sense! You don't back up any of your statements with any kind of proof because you don't have the time? I know you way back before the bypass operations. That was a long time ago and it seems you are doing well. I am glad.

You can't have it both ways Ellis. Either you can predict a future decision with some degree of success or you cannot. If you can you need not raise your bet. If you cannot then you must raise your bet to overcome the losses of not being able to predict the bet! This is, for all practical purposes a type of progression. Sheesh! This is simple stuff. The math doesn't lie Ellis.

I have given you a way to prove your method at no cost to you which will bring YOU the FAME and FORTUNE you deserve! No risk!!!!! But you ignore that! Everyone knows why! Duh!!

25% casino advantage. LOL Who buys that? Think about it! There is only two outcomes! If there was a 25% advantage one side would have to win WAY more than the other and all we would have to do is bet that side!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Just more nonsense from a Truly Great Showman! I mean that - that is your talent!

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