Archer

I was having a conversation with a gambling buddy. He has corrected me. The profit in casino games can vary greatly, particularly in games like BJ where players can play poorly. but even Bacc can have a "Hold" or profit of much more than the odds because players will grind out their bank.

So Ellis is correct in this. The hold can be very high 14- 25%. Kid is right, too. But the odds are still the odds. It is a 50-50 game (kind of). So we can grind out. I understand that now. I was not thinking straight.

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PS. But I am still right about progs, flat betting, testing, etc. :-)

E. Clifton Davis

We ran a 1000 shoe test on OTB4L U1D1 M2 played continuously thru the end of the shoe. If I remember Right It turned up an amazing 70% win rate. John help me out here. Exactly how did that test end up? I remember that it shocked the hell out of me. I remember that U1D2 did very well but not as well. Archer, don't believe everything you learned in counting school about progs. Those counting schools made all kinds of mathematical errors. Also recognize what you are doing when you increase your bet with a rising count. Yep, you're betting a neg. prog. As the count is rising you are generally losing. You generally win when the count reverses. You win when the count is going down and you lose when the count is going up. When confronted with this the card counting instructor said: Well yeah we bet a prog but we have reason to. That sure clears everything up. Like I had no reason to bet a prog. therefore my progs were wrong and theirs were right yet I consistently won and they consistently lost. Now be careful Arch. I'm the best counter you ever saw and I know the math cold. THINK before you speak, if you speak.

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aegis21

Ok I'll look for the OTB4L tests results. But I think you said was accurate. They are posted on the Universal thread.

Actual computer results were:
10.504 units per shoe
and
shoe win rate of 72.38%
Tested a 1000 shoes of real casino played games, not computer generated games.

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mreteuya

I think we shouldnt waste any more time or energy on him. Everyone has the right to be stupid. Or at least wrong. Either way, he's not our problem right?

nizm0racer

I concur with mreteuya

E. Clifton Davis

You guys don't think there's ANY hope for Archer? Or maybe you're thinking there should be no hope at your expense. Sorry Arch. These are paid members. I must do as they wish. Its been fun.

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aegis21

Just ingore the negatives (which I am the first to admit I haven't done) and if he/she has anything to contribute, add, enhance or otherwise further the players quest for beating the casino (This sites name btw Beat the Casino) so be it.
I am in a better mood today! back to my to do list - change water in fish tanks, bake some bread and continue on the next program tester for bac, yeah I have the polymorphism bug again!
LOL

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Archer

Ok, cool, even fantastic. So answer me a couple of things John. What was the average bet size? I mean 10 units is good regardless but I am just curious. It is obviously a progression of some sort, net betting or not so what is the average bet size.

Question 2 if you don't mind. I mean this is an up and up site for honest discussion. Why do we now need yet another method? Wasn't that method a few methods back? Did the casinos again change the shuffle to thwart Ellis' players?

Fair and reasonable questions, no?

Archer

Archer

This is a bacc forum so why get into BJ. Since you brought it up Ellis "best counter you ever saw" Davis. Everybody knows that GOOD card counters are a dime a dozen (me included). Like the "old man" used to say, "90% of good card counters will either get barred or go broke." Counting schools? What the heck are counting schools? But that is for another discussion. Back to Bacc. (Ooops, a pun).

LOL, you have so many systems they have codes. U1D2 is an easy one. Up 1 bet, down 2 bets probably. What does SAP stand for. Not a progression I hope! (wink, wink) You don't use progressions remember. Oh sorry, you don't want to get into semantics.

Ellis, why the new manual we are all sitting at the edge of our seats waiting for? What is wrong with the old manual?

Serious questions. Good answers may get me (and others) to send you a check!

Archer

aegis21

The short answer to why we don't use this system. Too much of a roller coaster ride. Most people couldn't handle the downs. (I would guess everyone could handle the up! LOL) Average bet size? I am not sure if I tracked that for this system or not. (and before you jump on that statement) I only do a test for basic parameters and if positive results then I track more things like avg. bet size etc. I am btw way still waiting to test you flat bet (1-2) system. I have a feeling it will be a loooooooooooooooooog wait.

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