James1

Hello, first time posting. I have read a lot of stuff. A lot conflicting information about winning and losing. I don't want to call anybody names. If this method has been playing and making folks rich for three years which is the gist I get from Mr. Davis then I would think he would please ask all his players to write a testimonial on the free part. Something this good must have a huge following by now. Thank you for your time.

James in Memphis

aegis21

I am ahead using Ellis's system, I have only two real trips to report with the latest system, but I have seen many winning reports on the private forum. A couple of us are meeting in Vegas this Feb 09 and I'm sure we will (at least I will don't want to speak for others) report all of my/our games results. No sugar coating from me, like Sgt. Friday just the facts!
Also I think if you hunt around a bit you will see others have posted winnings before you posed your question. It is hard to find with many questions and other posts being put on top of those reports. Sorry I was trying to clean things up a bit with moving things around this am.

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KIDDO

Winning as you may have heard from other threads. I'm up close to 118,000 in 4 days and that doesn't include the two trips from the past two days. These methods make money with very little risk. I used to have a system I used for about 2 years before I stumbled upon this one. It used to average 6.5 Units per shoe but you needed a bank roll of 60 units and had a win rate of just over 67% some of you may have purchased this method. His claims are way beyond what my actual statistics say and his methods have a losing rate of MORE then the 1/6 shoes that he claims.

Ellis's SAP-FE so far is very promising, and I believe it will continue like this as I can only think of 1 type of shoe that will cause it to lose and we will be gone long before that type of shoe can do any damage to us. Any other shoe is like a walk in the park.

The previous baccarat method I was playing, has a theoretical advantage of 1 in 255. Thats right 0.3% of hitting a losing pattern. This pattern is not one that could be repeated easily... why? because it would change as the shoe progressed based on each outcome. Yet I would still hit that damn pattern once in an average of 35.6 shoes. Losing that pattern is a massive loss of 35 units. which takes close to 6 shoes to recover! thats IF you don't hit another losing pattern. I have yet to see U2HiSAP or any other SAP method hit a massive losing streak to even break the 30 unit mark. IF they are played correctly.

I won't point any fingers but I'll tell you this, atleast most of us here have proof that this system works. Alot of people talk the talk but will never walk the walk. They don't have proof of their winnings nor do they have proof that it works or even proof of the system if it loses. I say put your money where your mouth is haters prove to us that it loses to other methods and systems, or just shut the hell up cause we are sick of reading your ignorant posts.

James1

Kudos Kiddo! Very nice job!

James in Memphis

E. Clifton Davis

James, they've done just that a zillion times. They are tired of it. If a person does not want to learn that is their perrogative. We can't help those who refuse to help themselves. The following IS huge!

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James1

OK then. I hear you. No problem.

mreteuya

hi James,

I've been a member since August of 2008.

I've made over $50,000 easy since then, and that's with me making a ton of mistakes. Chump change compared to the other members. I'm just a rookie who is still learning.

We have a member named KIDDO who just made hundred $150,000 in four days over the Christmas weekend.

we have another member named Wolfat who wins consistently playing SAP.

I made the $500 to become a paid member in the first four shoes I played learning just the things on the free forum.

Take care and good luck. Hope to see you on the full forum soon.

Mark

E. Clifton Davis

BTW Mark, anutawakidaye, above, turned out to be a casino spy and also one and the same as thebaccaratkid. Turns out he doesn't even play Baccarat, just spies on those who do. We trashcanned him.

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E. Clifton Davis

JAMES1, yes, I understand what you are doing and why you are having the problem with runs. But, in spite of that, your overall numbers are excellent. Keep up the good work. If you happen to see me in Tunica please feel free to introduce yourself. BTW SAP FE does well in chop but excells in streak.

And a tip for your style of play: At Tunica, esp. Goldstrike and Horseshoe, you will see fewer runs if you stick to new cards in the morning!!!!!

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James1

Actually it is not such a problem with long runs. More like I simply don't play them past 3 in a row straight or alternate.

For example: B PPPP B PP BBB PPP B P BBB PPPP B P BB PPPPP BB PPPPP B P B P B P B P B PPPP B PPPPP BBBB PPPPP B PP BB P B P B P This is a pretty streaky shoe I happened to play at Gold Strike last Wednesday. They all aren't this good but . . .I still win 6 units even flat bet - 16 units with the 2123 with no method changes. It's a shame to watch 9 alternates and a bunch of 5's go by without betting any of them. :-(

As you know we must alter our method to get both chops and streaks. The question is when and how. Triggers, counts? I haven't found a good switch yet. lol If you want to give me some suggestions I am all ears!

I like the site because it is fun to discuss winning methods with other players. I just don't want to spend the dough at this point for the privilege. No offense.

James in Memphis