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    Default Newbie Baccarat player from Singapore

    Dear All,

    I had chanced upon this website while searching for informations online on how to have an edge in baccarat. Anyway I am from Singapore.

    To start off, I frequented a casino in Singapore called "resorts world sentosa" or RWS for short. I had been there since March 2012.
    Till date, I have not discovered any form of winning edge against the casino. My only reference was the charts on the computer screen showing " big road", "bead road","big eye boy","small road" and "cockroach".
    The options are following the trend in the nicest diagram to determine my next bet. Another option is blindly following those players who were on a winning streak as in hitching a ride in their luck.

    After so many visits, I believed that our mentality and emotion determine about 55% of our day. As in not to feel nervous and not to act hastily as in doubling or tripling our bets if we lost the previous bet. Also greed plays a part in most players downfall. To me, even a $100 win is a win after deducting our imposed levy of $100 per 24hrs visit.

    I always act on a hit and run basis, as in if I am on a winning streak , I would leave after making probably $400-$500 on a $100 minimum bet table. If not, I will also leave if I managed to breakeven after spending some time there knowing mentally that this isnt my day.

    To start off, I would appreciate what could NOR system do for us. Having adopting the system, would it be better to play at a shoe that had just started or a shoe that had already started for about 18 games and thats where all the diagrams start to appear.

    A streaky shoe at the beginning BBBBBBBPBBBBBPBBB may turn out to be PBPBPBPB midway and may again transform to PPBBPPBBPPBBBBB. Contrary, a choppy shoe which started out PBPBPB may turn out to the consistent midway. How do we address this issue via the systems recommended?

    I chanced upon a shoe that had 22 bankers in a row and wow, everyone was making a cool sum out of it, it then changed trend and everyone gave back part of their winnings. Is it a wise idea to leave the table once the trend is broken?

    I would like to know more about this system which you had developed and also if there is any Singaporeans around here we can exchange ideas and notes.

    Thank You

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    Andy

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    Default Re: Newbie Baccarat player from Singapore

    Hi Andy! First, yes, we have many members in Singapore and members meet members and often play together.

    The changing biases you refer to are not really much problem. Yes, NOR is comprised of 3 systems but each of the 3 beats more than one bias and you are allowed to change systems when absolutely necessary.

    But the 3 scenarios you mention do not present a problem and would not even require us to change systems. You mention a straight run eventually followed by a ZZ, eventually followed by a TT (PP BB PP BB etc.)

    The straight run would put you on NOR system F3 which also beats your ZZ run as well as your TT run.

    In preshuffled cards, like you have at your casino, we usually let a few hands go by to get a feel for the bias of the shoe. But we have ways of ascertaining the bias as well as its strength over about ten hands or so.

    BTW, we also teach NB, included, which is particularly designed for your preshuffled cards. Try it, you'll like it.

    Right now you are playing just like everybody else and they lose to the tune of 26% on average. Baccarat is not a game you can learn to beat by yourself. I'm sure you must know that by now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by andyteo View Post
    I chanced upon a shoe that had 22 bankers in a row and wow, everyone was making a cool sum out of it, it then changed trend and everyone gave back part of their winnings. Is it a wise idea to leave the table once the trend is broken?
    Andy,

    Wow! 22 in a row on either side is a very rare event these days for sure.

    Any chance that you might still have the card or play from that shoe that you could post up?

    Thanks and welcome to the board.

    MVS

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    Default Re: Newbie Baccarat player from Singapore

    Any one miss me yet? Haha!

    Hi Andy,
    Welcome to BTC. We do have a small group of Singapore members here and i play with them occasionally. I used to play like you do by referring to the toteboards using those trend patterns but that doesn't work. Ever since i learned NOR, i have been improving at the game and it changed my insight as well. I would say that my game has taken a leap and i see more winning days since. Feel free to ask questions and see you on the inside!

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    hi witchgal

    i m,also from spore. hw is yr win records since using nor. hw many trips hv u won n lost? hw do we know when to switch from one system to another and do we switch? eg from s40 to obtl4.

    i feel that by looking at big road, u can tell if it is zz, tt, chop or streak trend but the challenge is predicting if the trend will persist for hw long

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    Default Re: Newbie Baccarat player from Singapore

    Hi Zeckam,

    I have more winning trips than losing but if you ask me to count the exact numbers, i cannot remember hahah.

    We only switch if we are not getting the hit rate we want. The toteboard board will also show us what the shoe is changing into.

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    Quote Originally Posted by witchygal View Post
    Hi Zeckam,

    I have more winning trips than losing but if you ask me to count the exact numbers, i cannot remember hahah.

    We only switch if we are not getting the hit rate we want. The toteboard board will also show us what the shoe is changing into.
    Right, I think that post from Daytrader and Waytofast yesterday will give Zeckam a good idea of win rates possible. Zeckam, I don't think you'll get much out of this post but pay attention to the 95% win rate these two very conservative players are achieving. Also, they were playing preshuffled cards just as you will be playing in Singapore.



    "By Daytrader:

    Hello, Ellis, Keith, BTC colleagues, and also, Way2Fast,

    I just wanted to briefly update you on my never-ending journey of learning to exploit with SAP, NOR. I had the very nice fortune of having met and played and discussed and debriefed on our plays this past weekend with Way2Fast in Vegas.

    Note: sorry, a bit long post trying to highlight my thoughts, observations, details, stats.

    Here is my trip summary. Background review:

    1. I am not an aggressive gambler - perhaps my weakness is too tight. I use SAP, NOR - but do not play every hand with NOR. I use the SAP and O/R count heavily on all plays.
    2. Bet/risk mgmt - I always start with a 111 progression. If unlucky, protective stop loss of (-8) forces me off table/shoe. If I get lucky to +2, I switch to a 112 progression. If lucky to +4 or +5, I switch to 123. Unfortunately, I have not gotten to 234 or 345 - because of the nature of my playing SAP/NOR, I sit out many hds (more below). Thus, rarely get so lucky to be up +6 to +8 quickly to transition to 234. Most bad shoes I am out at (-5) or (-6) and try to get back to even in 1-2 shoes quickly.
    3. Table observations - everywhere we played, the shoes are preshuffled and wrapped in 8-deck packets. Very hard to qualify precise filters. However, I observe all tables in the room, and often see that most are OBL shoe types. Hence my preference is for OBL starts when I see this type of room-based biases.
    4. Shoe starts - I rarely start without seeing at least 4 events go by (usually at least 12-15 hds played out). I prefer to enter mid shoe late into the 1st column or start of 2nd column where I can determine which NOR system is best.
    5. Alternative table selection filter - NOT a part of NOR system - but fun based, non-science based filter. If the shoe type is not able to be determined by my SAP, O/R counts quickly in 8-10 seconds - I automatically assume either OBL or unplayable shoe. In addition, if players are quiet, upset, sad, losing --> there is a good likelihood I have found a strong OBL shoe game.

    So what happened this wknd? My strategies included:

    6. I do not like to play OBL "jumps" if O/R count is negative. So I play lots of OBL 2nd liners.
    7. I also like to stick with a Mode count - from the start instead of flipping between M2, M3. Many times the switching proved worse. I have found that M3 with 111 or 112 or 123 is very strong!
    8. I also attack ZZZ and ZZZZ off a good OBL shoe type by betting on a repeat to occur - especially if O/R is negative.

    Results:

    9. Played 3 consec days and nights - looooonnnnngggg hrs with a strong group of bettors. At least played 10-12 hrs each time - but mostly standing and avoiding most hds except above strategies. Way2Fast can confirm our tables were playing for very long hrs! :>)
    10. Worst shoe (-5). Every losing shoe - next shoe able to recoup lost units. Then restart fresh.
    11. From 3 days/nights - only saw 1 strong F type shoe! 85% of all shoes were OBL biased. Even S40 ZZZZ runs were short - and if O/R count was positive - still had 2s and 3s developing so OBL would equal or outperform S40.
    12. Most shoe wins were in the +4 to +5 level. Shoe duration often less than 35 hds exposure before hitting +4 or (-4).
    13. Win rate 95% of all shoes played.

    Learning points:

    14. Ellis has repeated many times, and correctly highlighted, about the torque and power of the 112, 123, 234, 345, progressions. I am not to the 234, 345, level - because I do not play many hds/shoe. But, these progressions coupled with SAP, O/R, NOR selection filters - definitely have a high survivability rate. And, also give a strong chance of profitability!
    15. Having the ability to wait, apply selection filters, explore for table bias - all much "softer" skills - but still applicable. Way2Fast and I were able to identify and exploit OBL shoes consistently.
    16. Not pressing my bets - staying at 111 - if not having good luck - is critical for having the bankroll and mental/emotional capital to attack good areas of good shoes! Allowed us to get back to even quickly!

    Of course - always need a good degree of good luck - but I think Ellis' NOR, SAP, O/R systems and betting progressions, clearly helped me to create my own "good luck" more frequently than other players.

    I don't think I will evolve to be able to play every hand that NOR systems can be performed. So I will accept less winning units per shoe, but also know that my drawdown and negative equity exposures will also be lessened.

    In closing, SAP, NOR, O/R, continues to perform well this wknd despite preshuffled boxed 8-deck shoes. I enjoyed having the time to play, review, debrief, with Way2Fast! Also, thank you Ellis for your ongoing efforts and tireless energy to make us better players!

    Regards,

    Daytrader"
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    Default Re: Newbie Baccarat player from Singapore

    Hi all Singaporean players and everyone,

    I recently bought an annual RWS member and have been going in everyday. This eliminate the need to think about covering the entry levy before making a profit. My target is to hit $100 everyday and so far hv been consistent. I'm holding a full time job and u will see me in the evening for one or two hours.

    Well, my method, like newbies, was to find lucky players, or dragon, and put a hand on it, usually wif success and leave the casino. I'm not greedy and do not chase win or lose. Been very discipline and so far it serve me well.

    Been dormant in this site for a couple of years, reading threads and learning the jargons/lingos in between.
    Juz drop in to say hi and hope to meet up with fellow SG players and hope to improve and play in a more logical and confident level.
    In order to reach my next target, i know i need a solid set of knowledge and know how and not relying on instinct and luck so much.

    So thanks for reading my post and hope all SG players can gather here and chit chat.
    Cheers and win!

    Regards
    Infinity

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